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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 5 days ago #16256

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Hi,

i am new here, but been subscribed on youtube for quite some time now, maybe this is a topic for a video for Steve.

Ok, every time i want to upgrade it seems like something new comes up and i think about it again, so here is my situation:

I have an
i5 6500
MSI Z170
16 GB Ballistix Elite
GTX 1060

I want to upgrade to a GTX 1080 in the near future to play in 4k and 1440p on a 4k TV, stream on twitch and i like to run several programms in background so more cores on CPU would be welcome..

Now, it looks like most of the benchmarks on youtube concentrate on 1080p, sure, thats a ways to show how powerfull the CPU is, but if your goal is 1440p and 4k with high settings (and 60 FPS), you go for a better GPU, the GPU works harder and CPU has to wait, so the difference between those CPUs seems not as big anymore, right?

The thing is, i have a Z170 mobo already, so buying a 6700k would be an obvious choice, right, it's 300 euro here right now,
but
for about 320 euro i could get an 8400 with a Z370 board (which is retarded, wft intel where are cheaper non OC boards)
or
i could get a Ryzen 5 1600 and a B350 mobo, for 280 euro or so, but who knows if my RAM is compatible, i find all sorts of contadictory posts for my speciffic RAM, so i might need to buy new RAM then and even if my current RAM works perfectly, everyone is saying that Ryzen cares about RAM speeds, mine goes to 2666 with XMP, so... what's about that, losing FPS because of RAM.

Can someone help me to figure it out. What would be the best CPU for purposes listed above ^^

PS I just realized i wrote the word retarded here, i hope Gamers Nexus is cool with it, you seem ok on YouTube, i hope this is not NeoGAF... ;)
PPS English is my third language, i am a foreigner, i don't know any better... this is my defence :)
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 5 days ago #16258

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Why not an i7 8700k?

If you have a look at CPUs at 4K you'll see that the CPU doesn't make much difference. eg www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3uh4xQFR0k 2:23. I'd be happy with the i5 8400 if only gaming. You just have to wait a few months before you see H350 motherboards.
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 4 days ago #16260

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Thats what i am saying the CPU doesn't seem to make thaaat much of a difference at 4k even with a GTX 1080, one od the reasons why not an 8700k os because of that.

The other reason would be the price the GPUs are pretty expensive and i need more money for that, the cheapest GTX 1070 costs 390 euro here, the cheapest GTX 1080 costs only a hundo more, so i want to go for this one, but i need a reasonable CPU that doesnt cost too much,

the 8700k is listed for 420 euro(haha) and i would need a Z370 board for at least 120, thats the cheapest one, so with 540 i am way over my CPU budget, i undeestand it the greatest and fastest right now, but i don't think i need it, especially for that price.

That leaves me with the 6700k where i dont need anything extra, just the CPU

or

the R5 1600 wuth a B350 mobo, for comparable price as thev6700k for both, and i think copmparable petformance. But its uncertain if my RAM is compatible amd wether or not i will lose performance with 2666 ram.


PS if you have contact with Steve, can you forward this to him, for an Ask GN video?
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 4 days ago #16266

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The R5 is fine if you are ok with overclocking your ram and cpu which means if you want the best results you will need a good air cooler or an aio liquid cooler for better temps compare to a stock cooler not to mention you gain a good 4 year upgrade path supposedly. Pretty sure your stock ram will work out of box but quote me on that. (your milage may vary with your ram, and you really should try to overclock the damn thing if you can)

With Intel i5 8400 you gain the same or a bit better results depending on what you use it for than the R5 without overclocking, I think gigabyte has a good affordable mobo compare to others when it comes to price.The new intel line up gives you at least the the upgrade path to i78600k but don't count on anything other than that.

the most comfortable choice for you would be the i7 6700k hopefully using a good cpu cooler and not stock and thinking of overclocking it if not go with i5 8400, though honestly by next year you will probably end up having the itch to upgrade again looking for a better fps high... or not maybe that's just me.
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 3 days ago #16277

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As a cooler i have Hyper EVO 212(because of course, feels like eveyone has this one)

So, yeah, now i am thinking Ryzen again, because yeah, if i buy an 6700k i will probably want to upgrade next year and will need a new mobo as well, but yeah AM4 should last for some time.

Ok, it's either i find a really really good deal on an 6700k or i go Ryzen, thanks.

Ps i was overklocking my 6500, thats why the z170 and Hyper EVO.
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 3 weeks 1 day ago #16294

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I agree. In these year Intel is doing catch up to AMD, and IMO any price equivalent priced intel/ryzen the ryzen is better price/performance.

ATM for gaming 4C processors are top because none of the games utilize more than 4C, but IMO for a future proof scenario you can take 1600X (no cooler) and buy AM4 stands for your cooler and 6C/12T will work like a charm.

Only thing that is going for intel is clock speed and now a lower price of i5 6400 and 7400, and if u want a TURBO high end cpu if you don't opt for tread ripper than i9 can OC liek a beast for a small price of 600W :).

1080p is kinda similar CPU/GPU heay when 1440p + is GPU heavy and maybe 30% CPU.

Don't worry to much about ram. My friend bought B350 MSI carbon pro, and his corsair was not listed. corsair was 3200, and worked on 2400, we flashed his bios and they work now on 3200 with no problems ( MBO was stuck in the shop for a long time probably ) if the ram is not listed than the biggest problem is that he maybe will not go 100% on speed, but do not worry than you CAS latency is lower to so it's a 90% on the good side, and if you are not HIGH HIGH end aiming than just focur on 16GB ram, no need 2 concern yourself.

All in all, my thought is just buy the graphic card and a 4k monitor first, nothing else. Install MSI afterburner put a game to MAX and watch the numbers :) i think you will see on your processor about 50% load in all scenarios and GPU 100% dnoo how much on graphic memory, the card is compatible on all boards and all upgrades in the future will go well with it, maybe better bus 1080TI than replacing your system.

Conclusion: these are my thoughts and what I would do, do what you think is the best, and i think that you shoud buy the card first test it and come to your own conclusion what you need to do next, not swapping everything at once, when there maybe wont be any need for that. GL HF :)
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 2 weeks 4 days ago #16304

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CPU comparison for gtx 1080Ti SLI at 4K - www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQbUMtL7Uwc&t=553s 8.35
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i7 6700k, i5 8400 or R5 1600 for 4k gaming?! 2 weeks 3 days ago #16305

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I bought the
MSI B350 GAMING PLUS
and
Ryzen 5 1600
should be delivered tomorrow, got the free Ryzen clamp and bolts from Cooler Master for my EVO 212
next Upgade will be probably next month, a GTX 1070ti or a 1080, have to see the benchmarks first.
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